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Boneyplays·12/13/2019in General
I'm seeing far too many people misinform others on the worth of Meagyn's pet bears and honestly it's annoying as hell. I'm a collector - I have 169 bears on a banned account and 202 on my new main. I also know three other huge collectors who have 100-200 bears each (Sabrember, fluffycarmel, ørbiter)and not once has bear worth gone up from 500-600+ bears going out of circulation - the only thing that's happened is that others are attempting to get overs for their uncommon (mint, orange) bears and lying about their worth.
I've compiled a list of colors, accessories, features and every color's general worth from my own experience trading as well as others'. ORANGE BEARS ARE NOT WORTH GOOD SHORTS. They are worth decent at most, and that's only the most uncommon orange bear.
Any bear with eyelashes is 1 db less than the color's initial worth - for example, a white lash would be 1 db. A purple lash would be 2 dbs. A lime lash would be 3 dbs. A mint lash would be 4 dbs. An orange or mustard lash would be 4-5 dbs.
There are also people like Selic - known for hoarding things to try and force their value to go up, as he did with nonmember phantoms - who are trying to get bears to skyrocket too. If bears haven't gone up when there are ~600 of them out of trading circulation, they will never go up from collectors.
My username is 0ney if you want proof that I have so many bears, but if my pet list crashes your client it ain't my fault. You can post here if you have any worth comments and I'll do my best to judge and respond. I asked for confirmation and support from the AJIWW server and my fellow bear collectors before posting this and it's agreed that this is the actual worth of pet bears. There are too many of them to go up like that. They aren't promo pets.
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Littleppop4·12/13/2019
Ok, just putting this out there, your argument seems rather hypocritical. You said that between 500 and 600 bears have gone out of circulation but their hasn't risen. It has! That's why orange and other uncommon colors are more expensive now.
You can't say that, "Oh 600 bears are out of circulation and they didn't go up," also while saying, "People want more for their bears nowadays and they're lying, cheating, and conning you. But it has nothing to do with 600 bears being out of circulation."
It makes ZERO sense, maybe I'm the only one who see's the fault in your argument, and maybe you can make the accusation that I'm not a bear collector, but I know a little bit about supply and demand and it's sort of just common sense to see that your argument has weak spots in it.
It also isn't very mature to call people out, such as Selic. Phantoms actually fell if you have been payingattention to the promo pet market. But of course Selic didn't run around yelling at people saying that they should go up since 100 of them were out of circulation. They didn't try to hike up the worth. Some people even blamed him, or weresuspicious of him having a part in the fall of phantoms because of his sway over the worth since many people saw him as a reputable collector.
That's just my opinion on the matter, and obviously it seems you have yoursbut I hope people take a minute to stop and think before they start something.
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Calmecarson·12/13/2019
Bears have risen to this amount around the time when people started collecting them or realizing that they are worth something and they haven't gone up since. I understand where you're coming from but it wasn't like uncommon bears RECENTLY went up. Uncommon bears went up at the same time that common bears went up. We're simply just trying to disprove people who are saying that they have gone up to anything more than a decent short AT MAX.I used to be a bear collector and worht has only slightly increased since I used to collect--not majorly. People have wanted more than their bears' worth since before 600+ bears were out of circulation. People always want more than their items' worth, overs are something to aim for and if the general population believes that an over is fair for an item, people can take advantage of that and I merely find that corrupt. We're just trying to keep the market stable because no bear goes up to a good short let alone along.
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Boneyplays·12/13/2019
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I'm saying worth hasn't gone up cos it hasn't. With all of these bears out of circulation no one has had to change the amount they trade and the only people who have changed the amount they accept are people who are trying to make bears go up. I mentioned Selic cos he is trying to do what he did with phantoms to bears - purposely increase their worth (at least until they fall back down again) and I don't want people getting scammed. He was banned from AJIWW for purposely manipulating worth with evidence.
I haven't ever had to overtrade for a bear - I'm consistently getting the same fair trades for both my bears and others' bears. It hasn't changed. I know a bit about supply and demand too. There are thousands upon thousands of bears and the demand for them doesn't change that fact. Despite being limited they're easy to get and their worth literally hasn't changed. Many people support this.
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Littleppop4·12/13/2019
I don't want to make this rude, and I have to say I respect how you didn't come back at mesimply denying everything I said.
One thing I do want to add is those who you are often getting them from. No hate but the majority of people who made bears and own them are jammers who are relatively un-educated on worths.
Considering this, supply and demand doesn't affected them and they would trade their bears on their own accord for the items they want. I began to dabble with bears and traded a fox hat for a non lashed white bear because, in fact, they wanted a fox hat. I then ended up trading the bear to someone for a purple long wrist, completely on their own whim. That is simply my view on that aspect of the matter and I am interested in how you will respond.
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Boneyplays·12/13/2019
I trade both people who are educated on bear worth - people who use the wiki and others who know they're worth den betas - and have been traded by people who have made bears. I've gotten bears from all sorts of people, whether they're "rare" or not, know worth, they're random nonmembers, etc. I guess I could say I've traded every kind of person for bears, even those who want overs for their orange bears and the most I've had to trade for one is a yellow short for a round-eyed mohawk one.
Though some of these people are noticing that more and more people want bears so they aren't accepting or initiating trades like that anymore. I most often get bulk bears from people who do know worth - I commonly get 6-8 for bad longs, 8-10 for yellow, 15 for blue. I ask for mid - uncommon bears as well and barely take any common ones, so most trades are comprised of bears worth 3+ dbs.
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Littleppop4·12/13/2019
So you are saying people are willingly trading almost twice the worth of the longs themselves in bears, but they still know the worth?
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Boneyplays·12/13/2019
Yeah, I am actually. Those are trades I frequently get when asking for bulk bears. They aren't noobs and they don't ask for overs, they're just regular people who use the wiki and have traded me bears for longs. I took 15 bears in place of a blue long, I traded two yellow longs for 10 mid-uncommon bears each and I've traded an orange long for 6-8 (varying on person, mostly 6) bears several times.
These are 10 bears I got recently from somebody on the wiki. Each group of 2 bears was for a common rare pet worth a good short and the group of 6 was for an orange long. They asked a couple people if they should do the trade and got a yes from each.
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Prófit AJ·12/13/2019
You're trying to push the worth down, I see. Yes, I get it you can get orange bears for less, 1 db even. Many people don't know bear worth (like rare pets, you can get them for wrists if you've tried going to random servers.)
Many people have been confirming that orange bears are a GOOD SHORT. You can get a good short for an orange bear? Yes, you can. You can't change that.
Just give up, this is going nowhere. You can't use force to change the current worth of bears because "they're worth too much"
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Littleppop4·12/13/2019
But do you not see what I'm saying? If you got 15 bears in place of a blue long, even if we just value them at 3 dbs each thats 45 dbs, in spike/db worth, thats 4 bad longs and change,twice the value of the blue long, in db/short spikeworth thats almost 6good shorts andyet that it "fair" to you?
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Boneyplays·12/13/2019
Penguino1000 wrote:
You're trying to push the worth down, I see. Yes, I get it you can get orange bears for less, 1 db even. Many people don't know bear worth (like rare pets, you can get them for wrists if you've tried going to random servers.)
Many people have been confirming that orange bears are a GOOD SHORT. You can get a good short for an orange bear? Yes, you can. You can't change that.
Just give up, this is going nowhere. You can't use force to change the current worth of bears because "they're worth too much"
Just cos you can get an over for something it doesn't mean it's worth that mate, do you not know what an overtrade is? I'm not using force to try and change the "current worth" of bears. The current worth is what I stated in the image I did research of weeks on trades for while using both my own attempts, the #trade-attempts in AJIWW's server, and my friends' experiences and this is the outcome that I've gotten support from. I'm stabilizing the worth, I'm not trying to force bears to be worth less. You'd know that if you actually listened but you're dead set on convincing people orange bears are worth shorts and longs to profit when they genuinely just aren't. People may trade that for them but it doesn't mean they're WORTH them.
The point isn't that "bears are worth too much." It's that they're not worth that much.
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